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Leonard & Marjorie Williams Family Scout Reservation (Scout-owned)


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PO Box 323 41940 Boy Scout Road
Paisley, FL 32767

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    Leonard & Marjorie Williams Family Scout Reservation

    See leader handbook online at web address given.


    (posted on Jul 12,2000)

    Excellant food in new air conditioned dining hall, Very Large Lake with many water sports/ merit badges, wide variety of merit badges, good base for visiting Orlando attractions and Florida Nature Trails/Springs


    (posted on Jul 1,2001)

    WARNING - This Council is too incompetent to operate their own Summer Camp Trading Post so they stuck their head in the sand and allowed BSA Supply Division to take over the operation and charge all of their catalog high prices. That means that they only get their goods from one source, the camp director and council have no say as to what the store sells, and everything is sold at BSA catalog prices. It means that a Basket Kit is likely to cost a camper DOUBLE what it would at any other camp that is getting their Baskets from another source. The same for their Scout Shop at the Scout Office. The scouts & leaders of Central Florida Council have only one selection, the official BSA selection.

    And, oh yes....The Camp is in one of the most hot & humid places in the entire country during the sweltering summer with a dark water brackish lake you would never want to set foot in, mousquito infestations, and now it appears, Supply Division Infestation as well. Do what so many Orlando troops do each summer and head north. The amount your scouts will save in their Handicraft Badges alone will more than pay for the extra gas.



    (posted on Aug 27,2001)

    Camp La-No-Che has made large improvements in the last four years including letting the National Supply to take over the Trading Post. Camp La-No-Che has had the same camp director for four years and will return for the fifth year in 2002 which provides better service and consistent staff.

    Scout Attendance during past four years:
    1998: 2182 Scouts 1999: 2300 Scouts 2000: 3041 Scouts 2001: 3090 Scouts!

    The camp listens to the Scout leaders with daily meetings to make improvements in camp. During the past four years, camp has made lots of great improvements thanks to the Scout leaders comments.

    Spent over $4,000,000 in facility improvements: New 600 seat air conditioned Dining Hall, added 11 new latrines with flush toilets and private hot showers for each campsite, new 36 foot Climbing Tower, new Boulder Wall, new Health Lodge, new Pavilions, new sports area and much more!

    Yes, National Supply did take over the Trading Post. However, it is better stocked and National is working with Camp Director to better work with camp in providing services to us and our guest. And now the Camp Trading Post is open year round providing a great service to all our units in North Central Florida (open 6 days a week normal hours). Yes, National had problems with helping us to provide crafts during the second week of camp, however camp reacted with a better system for Scouts due to National. Anyways, most of the old Camp run Trading Post was National Supply items that must be the same price as any other Scout Supply Store in the nation. Now, National provides Advancements for leaders, better supply of merit badge books and more choices than the council could afford to provide. Also, National is working with Camp Director to provide better custom and affordable choices for everyone.

    After our week two craft challenge where National ran out of craft supplies, the camp purchased crafts from Paul's Slides in an overnight shipment and sold them out of the camp office. A wide assortment of choices were provided and led to improving our handicraft area. Now the units will be able to pre-purchase kits from camp to be ready for the unit on arrival to camp in 2002. Check out the 2002 leader's guide after publication.

    The camp fogs three times a week to combat the mosquito and has good control in camp of the pest. Sorry, the above post had such terrible time with the mosquito. Must had some attraction for the pest.

    Most camps in the Southeast is hot and humid unless they are in the mountains. Yes, it is hot and humid, however I have heard of many other camps with the same problem! Camp La-No-Che provides a different axperience to units where the Scouts want to return again for more fun!

    Camp La-No-Che provides one of the best aquatics merit badge programs in the South! Lots of choices and many opportunities. The Scouts participate in the mile swim every morning in our lake at 6am and most of them achieve the certificate. Also, the camp has a nice pool for swimming!

    Camp La-No-Che is a leader of Scout Camps. We are leading in providing a better service to Scouts. We participated in the American Camping Association Accreditation process to fine tune our camp operations and program. Also, it has been 100% on the National BSA Standards Inspection for over 14 years.

    We are now only finishing our Camping Report, however less than half of the troops heads up North! Over half of them stays in Florida. Orlando troops goes north for a different experience such as mountains and whitewater rapids adventure.

    Check out the Camp La-No-Che new website at www.camplanoche.com for more information!


    (posted on Sep 11,2001)

    Well, We just came back from Camp LaNoChe and had a grand time! I've never seen so many ticks up there before but they did little to detract from the fun.

    I had not considered the negative aspects of a trading post ran by the national office at camp but it would be nice if they offered a selection of camping goods like Thunder & Daniel Boone did when we were at their camps. Both had a lot of things that went beyond what supply division was carrying and the pricing was good. Our troop has been both in & out of council, some years we do both. The parents of our new scouts want their scouts close to home for their first week of camp.

    LaNoChee is a fine camp and we want to support it, especially since they built a new dining hall but there is a lot to be said for the more temperate climate offered by camps in Georgia and North Carolina that are in the mountains. We are thinking about Sidney Dew for 2002.
    YiS

    John E. Campbell
    spectrum@iag.net



    (posted on Sep 13,2001)

    Well now.... The Camp had to OVERNIGHT in the excellent, lower cost, and better made Paul McClain slides and retail them out of the Camp Office because the National Supply Divison operated Trading Post ran out! Guess it may have been againt the rules for them to be caught selling Paul's Slides out of the OFFICIAL Trading Post. Someone from Pineville North Carolina might not like that!

    This kind of inefficient & dictitorial operation sounds like something out of the old Soviet Union!
    Why did the Camp Director have to call in Paul's Slides? Can't Oscar, the Trading Post Manager, call to his handlers in North Carolina and get that kind of service from the Central Warehouse? (Guess not with the National Jamboree looming, may take them 3-4 weeks to ship some official slides to camp.)

    Must have cost a fortune to ship all of those slides overnight from Colorado, and all because BSA Supply Division has no grasp of how to stock and operate a summer camp trading post. Selling out of Woodcarving kits after just one week of camp.... COME ON!!!

    I would have no problem if Supply Division would only allow their Scout Shop and Summer Camp Trading Post managers the same leeway to order from sources other than Supply Division that a council operated store has. A locally ran Trading Post can make a judgement call on what to carry.

    La-No-Che used to have an excellent vendor list of over 100 suppliers but that is worthless if it is now forbidden for the trading post to have any relationships with those suppliers.

    There are camps out there that SELL Basket Kits CHEAPER yet with a greater markup than La-No-Che is able to purchase them at "wholesale" from Supply Division. By the time they retail them to campers, kids in Central Florida are paying MORE THAN DOUBLE for those Basketry kits than scouts at other scout camps do.

    If La-No-Che was to offer Space Exploration Merit Badge, where do you get the rockets from? Supply Division quit selling those in the 1970's. Might they (God Forbid) have to order from a 3rd party source like Estes or Quest? NO!!!! The Straight Jacket their trading post managers are under demands they only order and sell BSA Supply Divison items!

    Guess La-No-Che is going to have to operate an entirely seperate trading post out of that camp office each summer because BSA Supply Divison refuses to meet the needs of the campers who go there each year. Will each camper be given a BSA Catalog so they know where to go to purchase their craft items (Camp Office for some, and the Trading Post for others).

    Look, I have been to the Winn Dixie Scout Reservation many times. It is overall a great camp. There are aspects to the camp like ACA Accrediation, massive infrastructure investment, managed forest plan, new facilities, etc. that probably make it the best camp in Florida. Yes, it can be hot & humid there, but so can Camp Rainy Mountain, Camp Thunder or Daniel Boone (where many Orlando troops go each summer).

    I have no doubt that having a year round Scout Shop at camp is a huge benefit for scouters in the northern part of the council, and the camp ---- BUT ---- it could be so much better if only Oscar there at the Trading Post would WORK WITH Matt Ragan, the Camp Director to meet the total needs of a summer camp.

    Oscar needs to tell Wayne Dody at Supply Divison to loosen the straight jacket so Scout Shops and Trading Posts like his can have some leeway to order from places other than Supply Division. The Camp Administration is too busy to have to worry about trying to operate a second trading post out of the camp office because the first one is not meeting the needs of the camp program properly.

    When that day comes (when La-No-Che can have a full service trading post), and we no longer have to run out of basic camp items and overnight them from other sources, then Camp La-No-Che will be an even better camp than it is today.

    Selling other items out of the camp office as if it were some kind of illegal bootleg contriband (in the eyes of Supply Division) because it is not allowed to be on the shelves of the Supply Division Well now.... The Camp had to OVERNIGHT in the excellent, lower cost, and better made Paul McClain slides and sell them out of the Camp Office because the National Supply Divison operated Trading Post ran out! Guess it was ILLEGAL for them to be caught selling Paul's Slides out of the OFFICIAL Trading Post. Someone from Pineville North Carolina might not like that! This kind of inefficient and dictitorial operation sounds like something out of the Soviet Union. Why did the Camp Director have to call in Paul's Slides? Can't JOscar, the Trading Post Manager, call to his handlers in North Carolina and get that kind of service from the Central Warehouse? (Guess not with the National Jamboree looming, may take them 3-4 weeks to ship some official slides to camp.)

    Must have cost a fortune to ship all of those slides overnight from Colorado, and all because BSA Supply Division has no grasp of how to stock and operate a summer camp trading post. Selling out of Woodcarving kits after just one week of camp.... COME ON!!!

    I would have no problem if Supply Division would only allow their Scout Shop and Summer Camp Trading Post managers the same leeway to order from sources other than Supply Division that a council operated store has. A locally ran Trading Post can make a judgement call on what to carry.

    La-No-Che used to have an excellent vendor list of over 100 suppliers but that is worthless if it is now forbidden for the trading post to have any relationships with those suppliers.

    There are camps out there that SELL Basket Kits CHEAPER yet with a greater markup than La-No-Che is able to purchase them at "wholesale" from Supply Division. By the time they retail them to campers, kids in Central Florida are paying MORE THAN DOUBLE for those Basketry kits than scouts at other scout camps do.

    If La-No-Che was to offer Space Exploration Merit Badge, where do you get the rockets from? Supply Division quit selling those in the 1970's. Might they (God Forbid) have to order from a 3rd party source like Estes or Quest? NO!!!! The Straight Jacket their trading post managers are under demands they only order and sell BSA Supply Divison items!

    Guess La-No-Che is going to have to operate an entirely seperate trading post out of that camp office each summer because BSA Supply Divison refuses to meet the needs of the campers who go there each year. Will each camper be given a BSA Catalog so they know where to go to purchase their craft items (Camp Office for some, and the Trading Post for others).

    Look, I have been to the Winn Dixie Scout Reservation many times. It is overall a great camp. There are aspects to the camp like ACA Accrediation, massive infrastructure investment, managed forest plan, new facilities, etc. that probably make it the best camp in Florida. Yes, it can be hot & humid there, but so can Camp Rainy Mountain, Camp Thunder or Daniel Boone (where many Orlando troops go each summer).

    I have no doubt that having a year round Scout Shop at camp is a huge benefit for scouters in the northern part of the council, and the camp ---- BUT ---- it could be so much better if only Oscar there at the Trading Post would WORK WITH Matt Ragan, the Camp Director to meet the total needs of a summer camp.

    Oscar needs to tell Wayne Dody at Supply Divison to loosen the straight jacket so Scout Shops and Trading Posts like his can have some leeway to order from places other than Supply Division. The Camp Administration is too busy to have to worry about trying to operate a second trading post out of the camp office because the first one is not meeting the needs of the camp program properly.

    When that day comes (when La-No-Che can have a full service trading post), and we no longer have to run out of basic camp items and overnight them from other sources, then Camp La-No-Che will be an even better camp than it is today.

    Selling other items out of the camp office as if it were some kind of illegal bootleg contriband (in the eyes of Supply Division) because it is not allowed to be on the shelves of the Supply Division Trading Post is just nuts. The camp & council have over half a year to resolve this pressing issue before next summer. My troop is signed up for La-No-Che in 2002 BUT I also have leader's guides for seven other camps and I am fully prepared to pull my unit out if the situation does not improve.



    (posted on Sep 24,2001)

    I have been to that camp 2 years in a row with my troop. The first time I went it was my first time at summer camp and I went because I heard that they had a very good first-year-camper program which they did. the second year I went the whole troop went as one. The food was a lot better the second time. The stuff is fun to be around and the campsites are fairly close to all the merit badge activites.


    (posted on Jan 4,2002)

    this camp is very clean. The staff is great. They also have a ton of activities.


    (posted on Jan 7,2002)

    We had a super time camping at La-No-Che. the dining hall was a nice change to haveing to cook all the meals ourselves. Tons of activities to do and supervision was excellent. We took out Tiger Cubs and are planning another pack camp out in the spring. If you live in Florida you understand the humidty and bugs are part of the price of being here - bring your bug spray - its a good oportunity to explain the types of disease's bugs can transmit and how to protect oneself! Go enjoy yourself.


    (posted on Jan 24,2002)

    My son went as a provisional scout and returned raving about how much fun it was. He earned 6 merit badges, lost weight from all the running they had him doing, and made a lot of new friends. I highly recommend this camp as it was less than 1/2 the cost of the one our troop took him to, and he said it was more fun. I have no idea about trading posts and supplies, but my son had no complaints.


    (posted on Sep 27,2002)

    I worked as Staff at Camp Old Indian, located in Traveler's Rest, South Carolina. We have plenty of Florida Troops come up and stay a week at COI. They love it so much because they say that it's way less humid. And they always say that COI is better than Camp Shands and Camp La No Che. So if you are tired of the humid in Florida camps, or if you are tired of driving up past Camp Old Indian to go to Camp Daniel Boone, then VISIT Camp Old Indian in 2003. Your Troop will love it. Read the comments about Camp Old Indian by clicking on the SC link. Visit Camp Old Indian's website at www.blueridgecouncil.org then click on Boy Scout Summer Camp.


    (posted on Nov 30,2002)

    If you want a exciting and wet summer camp, then check out the Website at www.camplanoche.com where one of the best aquatics program is available in the Southern Region. Camp La-No-Che has a large aquatics program available on Lake Norris. Waterfront Aquatics program includes Rowing, Canoeing, Kayaking, Advanced Sailing, Motorboating, Slide Seat Rowing, Small-Boat Sailing, Waterskiing and Windsurfing. We also have a large swimming pool with diving board. The pool program includes Swimming, BSA Lifeguard, Lifesaving and Snorkeling. Also, we have a Scuba program for older scouts. The theme at Camp La-No-Che is wetter is better and you will certainly have one of the best opportunities in the south by visiting Camp La-No-Che in Florida. Also, great facilities just built the last four years. Check us out at www.camplanoche.com!


    (posted on Jan 29,2003)

    Camp La-No-Che has the best aquatics program in the south. Lots of aquatics choices on a large private lake! While others suggest to go north for less humid weather, that's fine if you want a sub-par aquatics program. Definitely, consider Camp La-No-Che for it's program and good food. Great facilities and friendly staff! Don't listen to other camps about forgetting about the Florida's camps, they are just as good and worth the money to visit.


    (posted on Jan 29,2003)

    I went to Camp La-No-Che. I loved it. My fellow scouts loved. The new dining hall was great. In taking the skiing merit badge, I had a great time, learned how to ski, and had time left over to enjoy the newly learned skill. I now take skiing at every summer camp I go to because I love it so much.

    David Thomas
    Troop 734
    Plant City , FL



    (posted on Mar 12,2003)

    fun fun camp they got many merit badge program and high adventure gogogogo!!!!


    (posted on Jul 30,2003)

    I was a non camper, & learned that I needed to be put in nature more. My son was a Beginner cub, & he's enjoyed going to the Camp La-Noche, & the staff, Bonnie Daly & Husband were good hosts as well as Ed. Mom (I) volunteered at Arts n Crafts & had a blast meeting other adults too! I enjoyed "joining in to entertain the scouts on Fridays" with my fellow craft masters, & learn some things too! And had a blast too, along with both my kids. (My daughter had to came too, to help with crafts, & had a chance to just enjoy doing archery & scout watching!) And go to swimming every day, which, again was a blast! The staff let me bring my daughter when my husband's work shift changed in the middle of the week!!


    (posted on Sep 10,2003)

    I thought La-No-Che was one of the best camps that I have ever been too. It had a great aquatics program and awesome shooting sports. It also has a great dinning hall.



    (posted on Jun 20,2004)

    La-No-Che was a mixed bag experience for me. The facility improvements were very nice, and the equipment is excellent (especially the aquatics program). However, I think they sunk all their money into capital improvements and the human aspect suffered. I was less than impressed with the majority of the counselors. I felt that most of them were too young and immature for their job. Most of my boys ended up not getting their badges because they hadn't learned anything. Physical facilities are well and good, but competent instruction and a strong program are far more important. We're at Shands this year, so we'll see how it stacks up.


    (posted on Jun 22,2004)

    Our troop went to La-No-Che (in-council for us) for summer camp this year. I thought the facilities were great. There was always plenty of ice available at the rotary lodge and air conditioning in the dining hall. (What humidity?)

    The instructors were more than competent. At our Court of honor next week, we will hand out well over 100 merit badges earned there.
    I assisted with the cycling merit badge as an observer and information source. (Thanks Chris!)There was very little that was not covered to my satisfaction. The rides WERE routed a little shorter than they were supposed to be, but I can forgive that.

    If each adult volunteers some service at camp, all the campers, scout and scouter alike will benefit. Troop leaders are as responsible for the quality of the summer camp experience as is the camp.

    Yes, they serve cafeteria style, taste free, processed food (can you say mystery meat?)with veggies, a carbohydrate and a salad bar. Yes, the portions are such, that the average 1st year scout can clean his plate. Not nearly enough to power a grown man through a mile swim and a 25 mile bike ride. I planned ahead and brought enough energy food to get me through.

    Hardship is a part of camping gentlemen! If everything was like sitting in your living room, it wouldn't be fulfilling or worth the time and effort.

    So what if it cost a couple extra bucks to buy the kits at the trading post. Plan ahead and bring your own. Better yet, MAKE your own kits and bring them along. Don't forget the sunscreen and bug repellent. (After all, it's in the woods in Florida! You know, that whole be prepared thing?!)

    Just remember; Summer camp is for the BOYS! They want to have a fun Summer camp, they don't really care about the politics of the BSA national distribution chain. They want to see everyone having a great time including their Scoutmasters. If we sit around and complain, they will take our gripes as serious problems and sour their fun. Adults should be out there, cheerfully helping the staff teach and monitor boys behavior. Only then can ANY camp be its best

    Now, go out there and get a sunburn, a couple bug bites and see if you can get that terrible, chafing, rash between your legs!

    Steve Haugen
    Troop 365
    Palm Bay, FL


    (posted on Sep 27,2004)

    Dear Scouts and Scouts commissioners,

    We are non profit organization working with scouts and Non scouts Orphans in Tanzania, please could you let us know if we can work together even here in Tanzania? Now, we receive so many volunteers from all over the world, Scouts and Non ScoutsYouth, including those from Canada and Germany, we really need to share a lot of experiences and have assistance through volunteerism from our scout movement organization.

    I will be looking to hear from you soon, you can have a little information through this web
    http://profiles.takingitglobal.org/johnsonafrica.

    NB.

    I have been a scouts and Scout commissioner member for more then 20 yrs now, and I have been working as a camp counselor/supporting staff from different camp around the world including America, I worked in CT -at Camp workcoeman-BSA, CAMP LA-NO-CHE and more...., it is funny that one of our Big camp here in Tanzania Kibaha, we put the name of CAMP, LA-NO-CHE for my memory, so if you come here you will see a camp, La-No-Che too! why dont you try to travel and have a little time to volunteer as a group or individual! AND let our orphans scouts children have funy with you? I am really personally thanks you Kathy camp director from Fl camp La-no-che to let me be with your scouts in yours camp on 1996 & 1997, Now my dream come true to have this camp LA-NO-CHE in Tanzania. We really inviting all scouts to join with us.

    With thanks.




    Johnson MaCrobert (Mr)
    (International Prog. Co-ordinator - UPEMATU)
    Center for the Children Who Lost their Parents in Tanzania & Scout Commissionet Tanzania.
    PO BOX 30810, Kibaha, Coast Regional, Tanzania East Africa
    Phone 255-745-438-805 or 255-745-438-806
    E-mail: UPEMATU@yahoo.com or workcamptz@hotmail.com


    (posted on Aug 8,2005)

    I worked at Camp La No Che for many years and attended there as a scout for many years as well. I feel with deep regret that the camp has become increasingly more interested in profit and numbers over the past several years. I don't believe that any camp short of Sea Base or Philmont should boast such numbers as 3000+ campers a summer. These numbers come at the expense of the human element of the program. La No Che is the only camp I know of that did away with their staff week so that they could add another week to the camp season and make more money. This means training ans experience is reduced, no matter how many training weekends you have. This camp has also proven to have a longstanding practice of courting scoutmasters to encourage them to return by improving facilities they use instead of improving the program areas for the scouts. They opted to make new air conditioned scoutmasters quarters but never considered purchasing nicer lifejackets. They are the only scout camp I know of that uses type II PFD (horse collar) instead of purchasing the much nicer and more comfortable type III PFD (vest) I remember as a young scout the whole camp would line up together at the flag pole before meals to hear anouncements and sing songs. This loses a lot of its charm when you meet at one of three flagpoles strewn about the camp, and eat at rotating meals in a cafeteria larger than the local high school gymnasium with so many people that those at the head of the line are finished eating brfore those in the back get to searved.I'm sorry to say that this camp has lost it's direction with little hope for returning to its roots.


    (posted on Apr 16,2007)

    I just returned from La No Che this past weekend and the above posters comments are basically on target. The camp plans to build 10 new campsites so they can in their words, not invite more scouts but allow units to have their own campsites and not run all sites every week for renovations. Some of the renovations mentioned are new activity centers with a Scoutmaster room with AC. As appealing as this may seem so what. Yes it is hot and humid but after reading the above posters message I can see where the camp has gotten too large. We often did end up in the back of the lunch line and scouts would be leaving before we even got our food. On a brighter note, if you are into large groups and quite extensive programs then La No Che is a place that will appeal to you. Do not get me wrong it was not horrible it just has its issues. I am local to it so I will likely attend in the future, but a more mountain type resort looks to be the next place for us.


    (posted on Jun 22,2007)

    Winn Dixie dropped a lot of money here - guess that's why they got the name!

    And it has been put to great use! Great swimming, boating, lots of new buildings and facilities.

    The Camp program was great and my son completed 5 Merit Badges and had a terric time as well.

    I've camped here a couple of times as a Cub Leader and we had good time then as well.

    Reserve early - they fill up fast!



    (posted on Jul 21,2007)

    I have been visiting LaNoChe since I was a Boy Scout (long, long time ago) and now, as a Cub Leader we took our Cubs there for the Halloween nights. What I like about LaNoChe is it still provides the real camping experience with a few twists to make it more comfortable for many of today's kids and parents who are used to more modern conditions. We go to other camps that are a lot more modern and less rustic, but the KIDS enjoy LaNoChe, and that's what counts for me!


    (posted on Oct 6,2007)

    We had 2 scouts go Provo, 2 years ago. They recommended the camp for summer, this year. The consensus is "It is the best summer camp, we have done." The camp is totally "customer focused".


    (posted on Sep 3,2009)

    Summer Camp 2010 was my first experience at LaNoChe. I had doubts about my physical disabilities and getting around camp, but the staff at LaNoChe was ready for me. We booked a centralized site for my convenience, but the boys benefited from it even more. I was thoroughly impressed with the facilities. Even with my disability, I was able to manage pretty well. The shooting sports ranges are run so professionally. Skip and the staff know how to instruct the boys and coach them well.

    Our one and only inconvenience (which really didn't matter much)was the compressor for the ice machine was struck by lightning the day before we arrived. But since a Scout is always prepared, I had brought enough ice to last us for 3 days. That meant the inconvenience was for only 3 days and we managed to make it through that just fine.

    This year, we have more boys AND adults signed up in advance and I know we will have a super time.

    Floyd T. Johnson, Troop 309 Committee Member


    (posted on Mar 10,2011)

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